April 23, 2008 11:30 AM PDT

Who's selling Windows XP in July?

By July 1st, Dell, Lenovo, HP and all the other big computer manufacturers will no longer be allowed to sell new computers with Windows XP pre-installed. So says Microsoft. Microsoft also dictated to retailers that, come July, there will be no more shrink-wrapped boxes of Windows XP on their store shelves.

But, many of us prefer XP over the Microsoft-mandated Vista. To borrow from Star Trek, some of us don't want to be assimilated (sorry, couldn't resist). What are we to do this summer?

One option is to buy a computer with a business version of Vista rather than a home/consumer version. Microsoft allows computer manufacturers to include a copy of XP on a CD with computers running the business editions of Vista. Some, such as Fujitsu, Lenovo and HP do this, but check with your preferred vendor. Even those that offer it, may not offer it on every computer.

The included XP CD is an "image" of XP, rather than the Windows disc that comes in shrink-wrapped boxes. This means that installing XP over Vista should be a simple process, something anyone can handle. For example, the necessary drivers are already there.

However, you pay a big premium for this. Not only is there the price premium for a business version of Vista, you may also may have to pay for the XP image CD. Each hardware manufacturer sets their own pricing. When I last checked, Fujitsu was the only company to include Windows XP for free with business editions of Vista.

Another July option is to buy one of the new ultra-cheap, ultra-small laptops. This is a new product category whose flag bearer is the Asus EEE PC. Microsoft, fearful that people may see, try and like Linux, has decided to let these new devices run Windows XP, but only the inferior home edition, not the professional edition. This was, however, a recent decision and the product category is new and constantly changing. Thus, it's too early to know exactly which machines Microsoft will deem XP-worthy.

A third option is to buy a computer with a home version of Vista (they're cheaper), wipe out Vista and install Windows XP the old fashioned way. But, this is not as easy as installing XP from an image. For example, after getting XP installed, you may have to hunt around for drivers. And, there may not be any XP drivers for the hardware in question, in which case the system will not function correctly. Also, this is only allowed with a copy of Windows XP purchased at retail, in a shrink-wrapped box. You can not take the copy of XP that came pre-installed on an old machine and move it to another computer. Even if you are throwing out the old computer, the license for XP dies with the computer.

System Builders

If you have better things to do than deal with this, and just want a computer with Windows XP pre-installed, you will still be able to buy one in July, you just have to buy the computer from what Microsoft calls a System Builder.

Microsoft defines a system builder as "... anyone who assembles, reassembles or installs software on a new or used computer system." A company spokesperson provided a more useful definition: "System Builders (AKA "White Box manufacturers") ... buy software from distributors rather than directly from Microsoft and offer products without a brand name. These are the small companies or mom and pop shops that customize PCs for customers."

In contrast, large computer manufacturers are referred to as Original Equipment Manufacturers or OEMs. A spokesperson provided this definition of the term: "An OEM (HP, Dell, Sony, Acer, Asus, etc.) uses product components (Operating systems, computer chips, other software) from one or more other companies to build a product that it sells under its own company name and brand. OEMs buy software directly from Microsoft, pre-install software on the machines they sell, and the end user licenses the software from the OEM." It is OEMs then, that are restricted from selling Windows XP, come July.

So, specifically who are these system builders that will still be able to sell Windows XP pre-installed on new computers come July?

If you know of, or work for, a company that Microsoft classifies as a "system builder", then please email me at stillsellingxp at michaelhorowitz dot com.

Us Windows XP fans need a cheat sheet.

Update. April 23, 2008: Updated the definition of "System Builder" and added the definition of "OEM".

Update. April 24, 2008: There is much more to be said on this subject. For one, there is the issue of buying OEM copies of Windows XP CDs, which have very different rules associated with them than the retail copies of Windows XP CDs. Then, just yesterday, this story noted that Dell will sell new computers with Windows XP pre-installed come July. You have to buy and pay for a business edition of Vista first, Dell is offering to do the installation of the XP image CD mentioned above for you. Much more to come...

Update. April 25, 2008: My next posting Dell: You want XP, we got it, even after the deadline describes a new Dell policy whereby they will pre-install XP Professional, even after the June 30th deadline.

Note: According to David Strom, Buying XP laptops shouldn't be this tough. He found that the major PC vendors currently make it hard to find XP based machines on their websites, but retailers do a much better job. The two best vendors of XP-based machines are Lenovo and HP, the two worst are Sony and Gateway, according to David.

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by brmorris April 23, 2008 8:54 PM PDT
According to Dell's website, your statement is not true that Microsoft does not allow big manufacturers to install XP for you after June 30:

http://www.dell.com/content/topics/global.aspx/sitelets/solutions/software/business/xp_smb?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd&~tab=2

Quote:
Is there any way to get Windows XP after June 30th?
Customers may continue to get Windows XP Professional by exercising Downgrade Rights that come with Windows Vista Business or Windows Vista Ultimate licenses. Dell has the ability to exercise ?Windows Vista downgrade rights? on your behalf in the factory if your business is still reliant upon Windows XP and you?d prefer to have Windows XP Professional preinstalled on your PCs.
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by brmorris April 23, 2008 8:58 PM PDT
Also, check out this article about other companies' policies after June 30:

http://www.crn.com/software/207401680
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by xaris777 April 24, 2008 7:27 AM PDT
Unfortunately he is right sooner or later we will be assumilated because as we all know, "RESITANCE IS FUTILE." BTW did you know Borg is Russian for God. How approprite. If any company has ever acted as if it were God it is Microsoft. We are buying business machines with to avoid Vista. The one macine that did have Vista on it was a nightmare for the network.
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by geneven April 24, 2008 8:40 AM PDT
I responded to this problem by switching to Linux. I no longer have Windows in any form on my desktop computer. I don't need it. Mainly I use my computer for web browsing and printing fairly simple documents and doing other tasks that don't require wizz-bang Windows programs. I'm quite happy.
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by Gorifyny April 24, 2008 8:51 AM PDT
While I appreciate your sentiment, the Russian word for God id ??? (Bog).
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by Gorifyny April 24, 2008 8:52 AM PDT
While I appreciate your sentiment, the Russian word for God id ??? (Bog).
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by Praying_Colonel April 24, 2008 10:20 AM PDT
Microsoft is driving me to Apple. I bought a laptop with Vista installed and the experience is horrible. I'll not buy another Vista computer. If I can't have an XP computer, I'll move to Apple and OS X.
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by FCBarca April 24, 2008 10:54 AM PDT
Gotta love the way Microsoft is desperately trying to salvage Vista...How amazing that they will willfully block XP sales in order to try and extort consumers into getting Vista.

Here's a tip, some of us won't be staying with PCs, as a result...Mac OS has already been light years better than MS and this only will shift more people over to Apple.

Gotta love Corporate extortion
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by rec9140 April 24, 2008 11:03 AM PDT
I am exercising my UPGRADE RIGHTS and switching to Linux. No thanks on your buggy, DRM riddled product. As a "system builder" I've already informed clients that my support for windows for existing clients will end 12/31/08 or your support contract end date which ever is later. After that you will have to get support for windows elsewhere or allow us to upgrade you to Linux. No new systems will be sold with windows or bare. Why not bare? I have to setup, test and burn in so I will do so with my standard Linux install. They will come with linux and if you want to infest yourself that's fine, but I am not going to be bothered with any more headaches from a certain company.
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by JamesXFree April 24, 2008 11:07 AM PDT
After having trouble with my pre-installed Vista laptop early in 2007, I made the decision after much research to make the big switch to Apple's OS X when the current version was released last October. At the same time, my sister purchased a new Windows Vista PC. She has had nothing but headaches ever since with software malfunctions and hardware incompatibility. On the other hand, I made the smartest tech decision I've ever made, I could not be happier with my Mac and have been successful in getting two of my coworkers to make the switch as well. Stability, security and ease of use. What a concept! Thank you Apple! And to Microsoft, I love Office 2008 for Mac but as far as your OS, you've lost me for good.
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by mynamesbill April 24, 2008 11:09 AM PDT
He is my prediction. Windows XP sales will skyrocket as July approaches as people stock up thinking they can sell copies on eBay next year for $500. As the deadline approaches, Microsoft will change their policy and will sell XP until 2014 when Windows 7 (due in 2009) is released.

Either way I'm not concerned.

I checked with my Microsoft software vendor in China town. He said he will still be able to sell me Windows XP after July. He sells XP Pro (limited packaging edition) for just $9.95. :)
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by mynamesbill April 24, 2008 11:12 AM PDT
He is my prediction. Windows XP sales will skyrocket as July approaches as people stock up thinking they can sell copies on eBay next year for $500. As the deadline approaches, Microsoft will change their policy and will sell XP until 2014 when Windows 7 (due in 2009) is released.

Either way I'm not concerned.

I checked with my Microsoft software vendor in China town. He said he will still be able to sell me Windows XP after July. He sells XP Pro (limited packaging edition) for just $9.95. :)
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by LinuxMac April 24, 2008 12:24 PM PDT
I'll be in the market for 4 computers come summer. A notebook for the wife (which will be MacBook or MacBook Pro) as I don't want to serve as her 1st line Windows customer support any longer; 2 for the kids - ASUS Eee PC 4G Surf (7" Screen, 800 MHz Intel Celeron Processor, 512 MB RAM, 4 GB Hard Drive, Linux Preloaded) and for me....either a MacBook or one of the Dell Linux offerings (http://www.linux-laptop.net/dell.html). I have to say, amongst our neighbors opting for Macs and Linux are going through the roof!
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by angrykeyboarder April 24, 2008 2:12 PM PDT
Here is an even better solution.: Forget proprietary operating systems all together.

http://www.ubuntu.com
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by russkeller April 24, 2008 3:31 PM PDT
Vista got me to switch to Ubuntu a few months ago. The difference in the backward compatibility options makes the whole point of Vista clear. It's not about upgrading the UI experience it's about securing hardware sales for the OEM's who are helping enforce the Microsoft Monopoly.

Well they got convicted of being a Monopoly... And what happened??? Oh that's right... Nothing.
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by anonymous x April 24, 2008 6:48 PM PDT
why would anyone want XP?
vista is a much better OS
if you people actually used vista and understand a thing or two about computer's you'll there's no point to stick with XP
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by matthew.holmes April 24, 2008 9:54 PM PDT
Microsoft sucks, so I'll buy a Mac instead. If resistance is futile then I'll go to their competition.
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by JReefer April 24, 2008 10:49 PM PDT
Well I just found out that Vista has built-in TV capabilities , so that sold me.
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by preacher1010 April 24, 2008 11:26 PM PDT
The ONLY reason Microsoft's OS is still surviving to this day is due to PC GAMING.
if it weren't for the COMPUTER GAMING industry, Microsoft would have sunk ship long ago.
Vista will survive too (im not sure yet on using it --waiting for Windows 2009), thanks to DirectX 10.
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by tagrhm April 25, 2008 5:39 AM PDT
I think Microsoft needs to look at what happened to Coca Cola when they tried to force an inferior product down the throats of their customers. People switched brands. My option is if Dell cant sell me XP, and I'm forced to use a bad attempt to clone a MAC OS, I should just go buy a MAC and get the real thing.
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