February 29, 2008 8:04 AM PST

Vista price cuts show how much trouble Microsoft is in

Ever since Microsoft released Vista to the masses, most people knew just how bad the operating system was. Instead of offering the kind of functionality already found on Linux or Mac OS X and the stability that we had come to welcome in XP, Vista was nothing more than a beta release on day one, and very few improvements have been made to change that.

To make matters worse, most companies and individuals are more than happy to keep XP running, and even Apple has been able to capitalize somewhat on the issues people have had with Microsoft's latest operating system.

Obviously realizing that there is some trouble afoot, Microsoft on Thursday announced price cuts on its most expensive versions of Vista and said those discounts will range from 20 percent to 48 percent. Ironically, those discounts are designed to coincide with the release of Vista Service Pack 1, which according to Microsoft, will usher in a slew of security fixes and improvements that should make the Vista experience much better.

And while I applaud Microsoft for finally dropping the price on its ill-fated software, the price drop looks more like a PR move than something that will have an impact on consumers and, most importantly, shows just how much trouble this company is in with Windows.

First off, let's not kid ourselves. This price drop will have no impact on Microsoft's bottom line and is nothing more than a ploy to show that it's trying to do all it can to attract customers. After all, how many people actually buy retail versions of Windows?

According to Goldman Sachs, approximately 5 percent of all Windows sales are executed through retail chains and the vast majority--80 percent--come from OEMs (original equipment manufacturers). Knowing this, what sort of impact does anyone actually think this will have?

If only 5 percent of Microsoft's customers are affected by this price drop, why is this even news? Wouldn't it make more sense from a business standpoint to drop the price to OEMs (which it hasn't done), if all it really wants to do is sell more copies of Vista? If it did that, OEMs would finally feel a little bit better about the software and could pass some of that savings on to the consumer, who would then more readily choose the more expensive Vista over XP.

But alas, this price cut has nothing to do with revenue or any other excuse Microsoft can come up with. The Vista price cut is designed specifically to show people that this company is doing all it can to create a worthwhile product and is trying to make its customers happy.

Of course, what it fails to realize is what the customers really want is a robust operating system that offers the stability and functionality this one is missing. And although Microsoft would be quick to mention that it's doing just that with SP1 and the price cut is making its product more attractive, I would argue that the company is ignoring consumers and doing all it can to force a crappy product on you so it can turn a profit on its huge investment in Vista.

But in the end, I just don't know if that will ever happen. As long as companies like Dell and Acer continue to have reservations about Vista and Microsoft tries to play the PR game instead of the "make this crap better" game, Windows is in trouble.

Vista is a damaged product that lacks many of the important elements a good operating system would boast. And although it may be a bit cheaper, it's still not the OS XP was. Say what you will about Windows, but as it stands, XP is one of the best operating systems on the market today and Microsoft shouldn't lose sight of that.

The future of Vista is bleak and regardless of what Microsoft tries to do to erect a facade that entices consumers to buy a dilapidated operating system, eventually it will come back to haunt this company and that will be bad for everyone.

Go back to work, Microsoft. We're waiting for something better.

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by sting7k February 29, 2008 8:41 AM PST
What is so wrong with vista? What does it lack that others don't have? Since last december when I got my dell laptop with vista prem. I have had zero problems. It started up fine and runs fine. I did to a clean reformat and reinstall but I do that even with XP. I have not had any issues with my new PC with vista and everything runs great. It is fast, takes literally 2 seconds to boot from hibernate/sleep, and programs all zip along.

I just don't get what the problem is.
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by dustinfrank February 29, 2008 8:42 AM PST
Wow. How do you really feel? I thought i was going to read a news article but this reads more like an op-ed peice. I'm struck by the tone and choice of such vocabulary as "crappy" and frankly the attitude in general. We know you don't like MS and Vista, but this is close to reading a political op-ed peice not a tech peice. Personally i like Vista. Just upgraded to Ultimate over XP Pro last night. Used the upgrade disk and did a clean install....took a little longer, granted, but i digress. Now you may be thinking "oh well you obiviously don't know what you're talking about if you like Vista", but you'd be wrong. No, i'm no IT administrator or programmer, but i am an above average power user. in fact, i remember when XP was first released and we warned to stay away and how horrible it was in the beginning. Of course now its the best Windows OS and Vista is the dog. Look, its not a Mac, we know. I know MS is a huge target and i know that there a lot of valid reasons for this but frankly its getting a little tiring.

Sorry this is so long, had to vent a bit! That being said, i absolutely respect your opinion and right to post whatever you want on your site. I am a huge fan of CNET in general.

Thats my two cents.

Murphy
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by SRobertRoberts February 29, 2008 8:50 AM PST
Maybe they should reduce the number of different editions of Vista if they want to increase sales at retail.

"Do I go for Home Basic or Home Premium. If I need the features in Home Premium, maybe I should get Ultimate, just in case. Or do I just but a Mac and run XP in Parallels instead?"

Same for the Xbox 360. I almost bought one last month when I was in a Game store. But the wide range of editions with no clear distinction between them (other than price) made me walk out of the shop empty handed.
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by russkeller February 29, 2008 9:02 AM PST
Calling Vista a damaged product is an understatement in my opinion. Trying Vista was my inspiration to switch to Linux. I'll never buy a Microsoft product again what a piece of crap.
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by rdwalton February 29, 2008 9:02 AM PST
Hmm, over 100 million copies sold....how can that be bad. Apple sells 100 million ipods in 5 years and they are the greatest company on earth. But Microsoft sells 100 million copies of its OS and it's a dissappoointment and they are in trouble....GET REAL!
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by planblove February 29, 2008 9:07 AM PST
I have to agree with the preovious posters, I don't have any problems with Vista. I upgraded last year to Home Premium over the XP Media Center Edition. And with the exception of a few early device drivers that had to be updated... I've had zero problems with Vista. It loads faster than XP and looks nicer. I know its not perfect yet but then again XP wasn't perfect for a while either. Give it a chance. Once developers start optimizing better code to Vista things will really start looking better.
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by only_truth February 29, 2008 9:08 AM PST
Could you perhaps tell us specifically what Vista lacks that XP tauts? Your arguments, as they stand now, are completely unfounded.
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by Lambert John February 29, 2008 9:10 AM PST
Your comments are only one persons opinion. I use Vista, and have for 6 months now. I've never had a problem. It runs just as well as my XP-based computer. As a matter of fact, other than minor interface differences, they operate the same. I just can't get Vista to be a crappy operating system. Maybe you just have a chip on your shoulder toward Microsoft? Wax on, was off my man.
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by john55440 February 29, 2008 9:28 AM PST
"...Windows is in trouble..."

Windows is in such deep trouble, that Microsoft's sales and profits continue to go higher and higher.

The Gloom and Doom Crowd is out of touch with reality.
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by tekwiz4u February 29, 2008 9:29 AM PST
Look people....Vista is Windows ME for 2007. I personally installed Vista on my PC, but after a year of its initial release, we are still FLOODED with complaints about it. Businesses REVERTED back to XP. FRUSTRATED Vista users either went back to XP, or went with Apple.

Basically Mircosoft should've done their homework on this one and not bloat it with pretty icons or graphics. I want STABILITY, not "eye candy" to hide defects. If they would've built from XP (which is the best OS they put out) and not treat their customers like idiots, I would have more respect for them. They are rushing products, and not taking time to tighten screws in it.
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by rmva February 29, 2008 9:32 AM PST
Dear Don,

I've bought all new hardware for my business over the last year and all of it had Vista installed. I love it. I am sorry for your unfortunate - and deeply bitter - experience.
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by cb3431 February 29, 2008 9:41 AM PST
I don't understand why people think Vista is so bad. I have Vista Business on a Dell laptop and I haven't had a single issue. Vista opens programs so much faster than XP and it starts faster than XP. I have Photoshop installed and I can see the difference in how fast Vista opens it compared to XP.

I would agree with one of the comments about limiting the number of versions. I think a business addition and a home addition are enough.
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by Toddwmac February 29, 2008 9:42 AM PST
I'd love to know what you are thinking about when you write these kinds of "articles".

I run 5 machines with 2 different versions of Vista and other than a printer driver issue (Which the printer mfg fixed w/in a month of release) my machines rock. Sure I needed to learn how and where to tune the systems the way I wantred, but other than that all is well. In fact, I can't remember a smoother expereince when cutting over to a new OS.

I don't understand where the media gets some of their perspectives/ "data". By 3rd party accounts, Vista was more stable and compatible than the 1st version of XP. Many friends that turn to me for help have had a fine experience with Vista (other than typical new features stuff)

Sure it takes MS and the (thousands of device manufacturers) a while to get all the kinks out, but when you have the 3rd party base and history that Windoes has, what do you expect. BTW, for those that want to compare to Linux or Mac, do your homework. You cannot begiin to do an even comparrison...the #s of units and users are of scales.

As to lowering the price, Ultimate was a marketing failure....and I belive a bad idea in general. They stretched when they put a premium on that SKU and are adjusting accordingly. I agree they are also working a PR battle but I believe much of that battle is due to comments like yours. Most people, like the majority of the people above this response, have a very different perspective. I suggest you learn from them.
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by tajna_rabota February 29, 2008 9:44 AM PST
I find Microsoft fanboy-ism laughable (almost as much as I find the worship of Steve Jobs a little weird, but I digress). Why is everyone standing up for Microsoft when a columnist voices his opinion on a terrible product, and echoes the sentiments of many AVERAGE USERS all over?

Microsoft didn't go to bat for me when their products caused me problems. I've never felt that they were looking out for my best interests. Why, then, is everyone on this board so hell-bent on protecting Microsoft from any criticism? Do you honestly think Microsoft will go to bat when you get a sub-standard product from them, like you are for them when someone criticizes them? Doubt it.
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by A_N_Onymous February 29, 2008 9:51 AM PST
According to Goldman Sachs, approximately 5 percent of all Windows sales are executed through retail chains and the vast majority--80 percent--come from OEMs (original equipment manufacturers). Knowing this, what sort of impact does anyone actually think this will have?

If only 5 percent of Microsoft's customers are affected by this price drop, why is this even news?


Because those 5 percent who buy retail copies of any OS are geeks, home-builders, enthusiasts, and (most importantly) INFLUENCERS.

They are people like your brother-in-law who acts as a virtual "geek squad" for friends & family. Or the guy next door who is an IT person and set up your wireless network for you. Or the basement-dwelling nerd in his 30s still living in Mom's house who runs the local PCUG. They influence millions of others.

In the office I used to habitate, hardly a day would go past without someone stopping by the IT shop for free advice. "Should I buy Vista or stick with XP?" was a frequent question.

So don't dismiss that 5 percent -- they are small, but vocal.
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by rhaft22 February 29, 2008 9:51 AM PST
I use Windows Vista several hours a day for development work, along with a Mac and Linux systems. I waited one year to do a clean install of Vista on a relatively new system (Intel E6750, 2GB) which I had initially setup with XP to avoid incompatibilities with older software and any instabilities with a 1.0 operating system. I love the new interface. It's very clean and elegant in my opinion. There doesn't seem to be any noticeable speed degradation but also no improvement either. Stability has been very good except for one program (MozyHome) which works well but every now and then takes the system off into space (backing up tens of thousands of files, 50GB data). From someone who uses a computer many hours a day, XP got very boring as it was mired in the past (2002). Most of my old tools still work although I upgraded to the latest versions of my most used products on the Windows platform (CS3, Quicken, Quickbooks). I definitely give Vista a thumbs up for all new systems and recommend upgrading if the system is current (dual core, 2GB, SATA, good video).
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by close5828 February 29, 2008 9:54 AM PST
I have used Windows PCs for years and years (since MS-DOS 5.0 and Windows 3.1) and I am typing this on my first Mac.

I bought a well-known name brand laptop (not a cheapie, either) and it came w/ Vista Home Premium. There was nothing "premium" about it.... BSODs when I tried putting it to sleep, spontaneous "Windows has found an issue and would like to report it to Microsoft." F/k this... returned the computer, got another one....two weeks later, same things kept happening. I was only running Office 2003 and iTunes!

I finally returned the bloody thing and picked up a Macbook and couldn't be happier. No crashes, no BSODs. I used bootcamp to put my copy of XP Pro SP2 on the machine to run some of my other Windows-only software and it worked great. I'm considering either vmware or parallels in the future.

Vista was the best selling point for a Mac i've ever seen....better than any commercial.
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by dustinfrank February 29, 2008 9:54 AM PST
tajna_rabota, i am simply tired of this tone and attitude about the evil Windows universe reflected in this article. Of course Microsoft and Vista aren't perfect and they have big issues that go beyond the product they ship. The blogger has every right to voice his opinion. No question. But when its on a highly reputable tech site, people will pick up this minority opinion as fact and i think it's just annoying. I think more people simply like to feel like they belong to this cool tech sort-of underdog appeal of hating on anything Microsoft more than those that have actually used it.
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by howlinghat February 29, 2008 9:58 AM PST
Pleas back up your criticisms with specifics. I find it amusing how you proclaim XP to be so great and Vista to be so bad. It reveals your lack of understanding of the underlying technology. You may be surprised to know that the two OS's are very similar in many respects and Vista is more evolutionary than revolutionary. Most of the problems with Vista that I am aware of are in relation to compatability. This is largely due to policy/security changes in Vista. XP isn't that great compared to alternatives in relation to efficiency and speed, but in software base it dominates. So rather than wish Vista was more like XP, wish for Vista to be more efficient, in which compatability would drop even more.
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by sal-magnone February 29, 2008 10:35 AM PST
Heck, I read the title and thought this was /. not CNET.

"Just how much trouble" - Trouble not reflected in either MS' stock price, sales, or bottom line I take it.

This is better: "Of course, what it fails to realize is what the customers really want is a robust operating system that offers the stability and functionality this one is missing"

I build distributed systems (over 250K transactions per sec and climbing fast) stability is not a problem in either XP or VISTA. And claiming a lack of functionality is just crazy? You are telling me VISTA is missing functionality. If anything people have been claiming that MS' kitchen sink approach made VISTA harder to use than it should be.

VISTA and SERVER 2008 will continue to extend MS' dominant position in the industry. We are already seeing Linux/Apache pushed out of the web server space by IIS. Now we're seeing LINUX get booted off commodity compute clusters by Windows Cluster Server. If the other guy can't win with FREE you must be doing something right.

Apple is a great company and really the only competition or threat. However, we're early in the cycle. Apple threatens not just MS but also HP, DELL, LEVONO, et al. If these guys decide tomorrow that Apple needs to be eradicated they'll throw more technology, money, channel power at Apple than it could possibly overcome. On just price points these guys could come down quite a bit. Additionaly Apple has a history of melting down. MS if anything knows how to keep coming at you.
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